Of course the Dem's are critcal of the Voter ID law. It will keep them from creating huge voting margins in the cities. They want to talk about voter suppression, but how is it possible for areas in cities to have voter turnout over 100%. I know my statement will be challenged, but in no way more than they can affirm voter suppression. We don't have white panthers intimidating voters. We need ID to do almost everything, I even need to show it at the doctor's office now. Maye if the government paid the people an anual fee, they would view it as an entitlement, and we would have lines of people waiting to get theirs. I know, you're going to call me a racist, that certainly is a way to argue your point. There is a legal argument against ID, and it is contained in the Voting Right's Act. That is why these laws have been written in such a convoluted way.

this is outrageous. how, on earth, are the democrats going to win elections with such ridiculous constraints?? does anyone care about the illegals and their needs? what about corruption in the major cities? this law must not stand...

...to provide political gain to one party over the other at the expense of many in our society, particularly the most vulnerable," Shapiro said..So what Shapiro is saying is that most republicans have some form of photo ID and most democrats do not? Who are these " most vulnerable" of which he speaks? Is it the elderly? Is he saying that all elderly people are democrats without ID?.......Danny, I hope your comment on how this law must not stand is tongue in cheek....

The time has come for this very important law!

What is wrong with the voter ID bill #934? Have the critics even read it? You can use your drivers' license, student ID, photo ID, passport, utility bill, even the last four of your SS#!!! Now I DARE anyone to tell me who this bill discriminates against. Come on, liberals, tell me.

This is a law whose time has definitely come! I guarantee you that if the democrats had sponsored this legislation, Josh and Co would be parading it down York Road as the best thing since sliced bread. The only people who this is going to hurt are those who have something to hide.

Lets see, I need ID for : my bank, library, beer/liquor store, Drs office. movie theatre ( r rating), police ( should i get pulled over), to get a job, airport, township pool, etc, etc. But any schmuck can walk in to any polling place, cast a vote with major implications at stake and not be subjected to having identification ? Are you liberals kidding me ?

If obtaining an ID is such a hassle, have people set up at the polling places with connections to confirm identification.

Wrong headed? How about Wrong Bodies... voting? Watch <http://tinyurl.com/7bcu9uf>; from Project Veritas. Although would be permitted to vote without ID, can not check into hotel without ID, could not purchase alcohol without ID, etc.....

"I'm particularly concerned about its impact on the elderly, [people with] low income, and people with disabilities," Richards said.

So these people wouldn't have photo ID because......? The argument makes zero sense. I'm sorry, but if I have to have photo ID to buy allergy medicine, we all can have photo ID to vote.

One party has 95% of one minority vote locked up. Can't get better bang for you buck than that. They need a renewable resource for more votes. Is there a better way to keep that stream in play? Look up "Why Democracy Fails" & Alexander Tytler. Once people figure out a way to vote themselves money from the public treasury... things go down hill fast. One party wants everyone to be given things. One doesn't.

Come on Richards, Shapiro, let's hear the REAL reason you are opposed to this law.
You hide behind the Constitution when all the while your party does it's best to destroy it.
We KNOW the real reason... VOTES by the illegal, slovenly, entitled class.
You both are a disgrace to this Country...

I help Collegeville staff the polls on Election Day. For the Primary, voters will be asked for their ID, but if they don't have it, they can still vote. We should get a preliminary read on April 24th as to the effect this legislation will have not only on the voters, but on the pollworkers, who for the General Election will have the very uncomfortable task of telling some voters they must cast provisional ballots which may not count. Perhaps some of the commenters who are taking issue with Josh Shapiro will volunteer to staff the polls when the current poll workers find the job distasteful and quit.

I am posting a letter to the editor from Kevin Dunbar, Chair of the Democratic Area 4 Committee: What is wrong with the Republican Party right now? So many of their actions seem to be about regulating who can vote, who can marry, what language must someone speak, which religions are most important and who controls a woman's body. It seems to me there are more important issues for our government to work on and they should leave the social decisions up to the individual. Does it say in the Constitution that you need a state issued ID to vote? It is a privilege to drive so I need a driver's license and some insurance....but it is my RIGHT to vote.

What a farce. Concerned for minorities or the elderly my foot !! If any of you cared about a fair and equal election the barriers set up against ballot access [barriers erected by BOTH the republicans AND the democrats] would be torn down. At present ANY third party candidate (Green party, Libertarian party, Constitutional party, or anyone else) requires at least 5 times as many signatures on their nominating petitions as the two old, corrupt parties. So much for fair and equal elections. Your desire to keep a strangle hold on the electoral process, and to limit the voters to only two choices makes your complaints about "disenfransement" ring hollow in my ears.

The law makes sense. You need photo ID's for just about everything anyway. But you can't trot out dead people, bus in ringers and otherwise screw around with elections if they need to actually prove who they are. In some states you can register all over the place as long as you are breating (some frightening Utube illustrations). Sorry, Josh, but we part company on this one. The Democrats are notorious for this - and for a long time. Just check out how Kennedy won in 1960 while polling more votes than there were voters in at least two key states.

Here we go already. Our newly elected county officials are already showing their liberal colors.

If we are able to vote, we should be responsible enough to provide an ID. Anyone who has not one piece of ID raises questions to me?

Most people commenting here seem to be thinking of the suburbs where it is very difficult to get around without driving. Think about elderly and poor people living in the city who don't have to drive, so they don't have that id. They need to use their Medicare car for free rides on SEPTA, but that doesn't have a photo. They don't travel on airplanes, so haven't needed a photo id for that. Don't buy the kind of allergy medicine that requires a photo id. Don't have family that can take hours off from work to sit with them at a PennDot office to get a non-drivers id. Some photo ids like mine from the community center won't do because they have my name and photo, but no address. It isn't so difficult to think of people who don't have an id if we simply try to think outside of our bubble.

A valid point, ivy. The govt. should make certain that medicare cards have photos, renewal dates, etc. for valid u.s. citizens and that they be acceptable forms of I.d. I am fairly certain that photo Id's are available for those wo do not drive. Honestly, the old adage, "if there's a will, there's a way," does hold true. Everyone has a friend who would be willing to help, your local politician will be there to help especially if it means future support. I don't think We are really living in a bubble.

I checked. Photo I.d.'s are available in lieu of a drivers license! Now what excuse can we dream up?

I have a great compromise!! We'll give up the voter ID if you give up Obama Care.
I'm sure we'll need ID to get free medical coverage.

As a democrat (albeit a middle of the road one), I fail to see why the democrats are opposed to requiring photo IDs to vote. If you are in a rush to get an ID when you are 21 so you can drink, you can certainly get an ID when you are 18 in order to vote. This isn't a race issue. This isn't a class issue. I don't understand why the Democratic party is trying to turn this into one. And let's be honest -- I'm not worried about the Amish vote. Pretty sure that if they were voting it would be GOP anyway. Can't see how this law would only negatively affect one party.

Lets see: When pulled over by the " Police " your required to show " Photo ID ", When buying in some department store when using the store credit card . Your required to show photo ID, When going to a doctor's appointment, You show your photo id, when filling out a loan application, you show photo ID, When " renewing your driver's license or passport, you show photo ID, When applying for any kind of Insurance, You show Photo ID, Filling our college applications, You show Photo ID,
When obtaining certain prescription drugs, You show Photo ID, When making some debit purchases, especially out of state, You show your Phot ID. With a State law that ' requires " people to prove who they are when they cast the vote is one big step in stopping " Voter Fraud ". As a U. S. Citizen I don't have a problem showing my Photo ID when I go to vote. But, someone in this country " Illegally " would have a problem with this state law.

Michael Curtis. Well put!

At the last elections, our polls had 44 absentee ballots. Out of that, 39 were democratic ballots.... I was wondering what it was all about, but now it is starting to make sense... Does anyone know if the new law has provisions for absentee ballots? Just thinking if they already know of loop-holes..

HB 934 addresses the imaginary problem of voter impersonation, that is, showing up at a polling place and pretending to be someone else. It also addresses the imaginary problem of registering to vote as someone else. How many of those cases have ever been prosecuted in the Commonwealth? This imaginary problem is so pervasive that the answer is zero. How is voting different from buying cigarettes, buying alcohol, and boarding an airplane? Because voting is a constitutional right. Why do we require persons to show photo ID when purchasing cigarettes, purchasing alcohol, and boarding an airplane? Because we want restrict access to those items, not because we want to know their names. Why do we require persons to shot photo ID when voting? Because we want to restrict access to the voting booth. Who does access to the photo ID affect most? The most vulnerable members of our society such as the elderly, the poor, and the disabled. Does HB934 eliminate voter fraud? No it does not. Does requiring photo ID have any costs associated with it? Yes it will cost $11 million, with most of that cost to be born by the counties. In other words HB 934 is an unfunded mandate. Is it unconstitutional to require photo ID in order to vote? We're going to find out. Voter suppression laws in other states have been found to be unconstitutional. There will be many lawsuits filed that will also cost the Commonwealth millions of dollars. Sounds like those in favor of HB 934 are pretty mean spirited.

AURORA, Ohio – A Portage County World War II veteran was turned away from a polling place this morning because his driver’s license had expired in January and his new Veterans Affairs ID did not include his home address.

“My beef is that I had to pay a driver to take me up there because I don’t walk so well and have to use this cane and now I can’t even vote,” said Paul Carroll, 86, who has lived in Aurora nearly 40 years, running his own business, Carroll Tire, until 1975.

“I had to stop driving, but I got the photo ID from the Veterans Affairs instead, just a month or so ago. You would think that would count for something. I went to war for this country, but now I can’t vote in this country.”
NOW I DONT KNOW IF THIS GUY IS A REBUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRATE!!!!! BUT HE IS AN AMERICAN AND THATS ALL I NEED TO KNOW. AN AMERICAN WHO FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY AND WAS TURNED AWAY.

91 year-old Tennessee woman unable to stand in line for ID

October 20, 2011 | By Sam Stockard | Daily News Journal | Link to article

Virginia Lasater, 91, of Murfreesboro, Tennessee could not get a photo ID card to vote, because she could not physically stand in line at the driver testing center.

Lasater has been voting and has worked on campaigns for the past 40 years, but has never had photo identification. When Tennessee began requiring photographs on driver's licenses, she was already old enough to be exempt.

Tennessee's new government-issued photo ID law now requires voters like Lasater to obtain new identification, which proponents claim is free and easy to get. But when Lasater and her son went to the driver testing center on October 19, they found the building crowded with more than 100 customers and a small team of overwhelmed staffers. Lasater, who walks with a cane, could not find a chair, and was forced to go home.

, the state will continue to be overwhelmed with requests for photo ID's, making it more difficult for individuals like Lasater to participate in elections.

WOW THIS WOMAN IS JUST TO OLD TO VOTE; SO SHE LOSES THE RIGHT TO DO SO? REALLY!!!

Kimberly, Though is IS sad to see a few Americans denied the right to vote, it is just that..a few. Your argument is really no different than saying " I wouldn't lock my car doors at the mall because there's at least 6 people who WOULDN'T steal my car" If photo ID is required and you wish to vote than a means can be found to acquire one. Everyone who votes is supposed to registrar to vote and somehow they find the means to do that.

Ann,
this a real article from a newspaper, not my opinion or my interpretation or my personal argument, real life !!!
Are you really comparing this woman an her issue to locking a car door at the mall ??
Voter registration cards are avail at every elected officals office, post office, county offices and you can mail them in for free., which much easier than going to a driver licence office and waiting hours in a line.
Ann don't get old they may start taking away your rights
just saying........

Voter impersonation is a fictional crime that has never been prosecuted in Pennsylvania.

Voting is a constitutional right unlike smoking, drinking or boarding an airplane.

Voter supression in any form is contrary to democratic participation in the voting process.

Photo ID is specifically designed to restrict access such as buying cigarettes, buying alcohol or boarding an airplane.

Photo ID requirements impede participation by elderly, disabled and poor persons.

Photo ID does not eliminate voter fraud. Most forms of voter fraud will continue to occur in the same manner as always.

Voter suppression laws have been found to be unconstitutional in other states.

Photo ID for voting will cost Pennsylvanians $11 million in the first year in addition to millions of dollars for legal fees resulting from the many lawsuits that will be filed.

Voter suppression is a political weapon not a political tool.

Fteedom is never FREE

What has gone wrong when elected officials devise ways of making it harder to vote when the problem really is that so few people vote at all? And the mean-spiritedness behind it, and even in this conversation, is just awful.

PHILLY RADIO HOST PLAYS RACE CARD ON VOTER ID BILL? You decide. -- http://www.threatcore.com/PA-voter-ID-bill.htm

Where are the intellectuals now advocating voter supression. Hatboro Mike, Victor Krievens, and the others trying to use their limited intellectual capacity to misadvocate for a corrupt position.

A few questions here. How do these people who can't wait in line to get their photo taken, or are too old to get their photo taken(or whatever excuse given in order not to have the appropriate photo i.d.) get to a store to buy their groceries, their cigarettes, clothing and whatever else they might have. I am reading so many excuses and so many accusations. Give it a rest already. It simply is not that complicated. "Intellectual capacity?" Supression of rights? Prejudice? What are you people talking about? If one is a citizen of the United States, and wants to exercise one's right to vote....then one must get a photo i.d.

I laid out a factual argument at 5:54 p.m. on Friday. Earlier, another writer, Pete Gladden laid out a factual argument.

The emotional, red meat arguments have to do with fictional incidents of dead people voting and about how people have to show ID to buy cigarettes and alcohol.

Cigarettes and alchohol have nothing to do with voting except restricting access to the voting booth.

It so interesting that all of a sudden states have to pass a series of laws restricting public service unions, restricting voting rights, and requiring intra-vaginal examinations which women must watch. Where did this wave of problem-solving come from?

How can anyone identify those things as national priorities? Yet, here they are.

So, friends where are your factual arguments?

You want government out of your business but in the unions, in the voting booth, and in the vaginas. Such intellect.

Come on folks, you need more than red meat to sell an intellectually bankrupt argument.

Does anyone know how this is going to be enforced when voters submit an absentee ballot ? This is definately going to affect a certain Trappe resident.

Well, Feodor, if you are an example of an "intellectual," I would rather just be concerned!

@Feodor: As the educated intellectual you purport to be, you make statements, you do not cite facts, as you make no reference to your sources. Ergo: these are only your opinions. Several people here have cited websites (videos), although others also are staeting only opinions. Just the way you write your posts leads me to believe you are an elitist who thinks that people who disagree with you must be unenlightened and ignorant. I guess we are the unwashed masses.

Well put, Curmudgeon!

Gentlemen,

Please feel free to click on the hyperlink or paste it into your browser. It's too large to copy here (and you can't do it legally)

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/testimony_on_pennsylvania_hb_934

Ask all of those claiming this will "suppress the vote" etc. Ask them. _IF it were true (that fraud and or undocumented individuals were voting), ...If that were true.... DOES IT MATTER? Does it matter that one person could vote 7-8 times under then name of Dick Tracey, Mary Poppins, Mickey Mouse. Does it matter? Don't let them off the hook, get an answer. Bet they say "NO"....It doesn't matter.

For those who are interested, this link provides additional documentation, including documentation of the cost of implementing HB 934.

http://www.paaflcio.org/Talking%20Points%20HB%20934-1.pdf

Does anyone else have any research, testimony, documentation or evidence.

I would be interested in seeing it.

No red meat here folks.

Check out these items:
Listen to Peter-Krsanow from the US commission on civil rights discuss actual cases of voter fraud. Audio @ Minute 19:00: <http://tinyurl.com/855spdu>;

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/233621/myth-vs-fact-new-black-panther-party-investigation-peter-kirsanow

Even my mother... a life long democrat and a poll worker in Delaware County and other Poll workers were dubious in the 08 elections regarding the throngs of minority voters that showed up. They ladies...all older and Caucasian, were afraid to ask for any form of voter registration card etc. They just let them sign and vote.

GOOGLE ACORN AND VOTER FRAUD.....(Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN)) <http://tinyurl.com/82m7mto>;

More Audio @ 13:00 from the ACLU defense. Not exactly stellar - IMHO. You decide.
<http://tinyurl.com/855spdu>;; same talking point that there is no "evidence" (not true) and that the O'Keefe video I linked to early was illegal and they exposing this weakness should be prosecuted. BTW None of the O'Keefe people ever entered a voting booth. Just the registration tables.

If you read the testimony provided to the PA General Assembly one year ago, you will learn about many types of voter fraud that have occurred and continue to occur all over the country. PA HB 934 does not eliminate voter fraud. It purports to address voter impersonation.

The testimony reveals exactly what types of voter fraud that are not addressed. There are also registration errors such as Issue Driven suggests. HB 934 does not address or eliminate registration errors.

Voter impersonation is a myth. Why? Because it is punishable by up to 5 years in prison and $10,000 fine plus court costs. So given the existing laws and severe penalties, why has voter impersonation never been prosecuted in Pennsylvania? Because it doesn't exist.

Mr. Intellectual. What have you been smoking? Open your eyes and see the real picture.

The real picture is that this issue is driven purely by ignorance and ignorant individuals unable to produce an argument other that voting is the same a buying cigarettes and alcohol. It it driven by an inability to distinguish between voter fraud and voter impersonation and a misunderstanding as to whether photo ID will end voter fraud or whether it will just suppress the most vulnerable class of voters such as the elderly, the poor, and the disabled.

I thinks I get it Vic, a wave of right wing legislative iniatives such as suppressing public unions, suppressing voting rights and suppressing women through medically unnecessary intra-vaginal examinations.

I think I get it Victoria. What don't you get?

FRAUD: Wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. A person or thing intended to deceive others......

Pretty sure us dumb "right wingers" can see link between -impersonators- and -fraud- even if smart people like you can't.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=J_9J5cJwkLU>;
The fraud is intended to maintain the system that is subverting the generosity of the American People's generosity. Most of us want to help the helpless, but are freaking tired of helping the clueless. Video starts about 4:20. Listen as they talk about getting "Obama Bucks" "Getting Checks". Reminder Freedom of Speech is the FIRST amendment.... Freedom from Responsibility doesn't show up anywhere. Entitlement isn't ensured.... unless they vote it to themselves. Caution...Victimization mentality in full effect in video. I'm a victim, so someone owes me something.

The legislature has shown us that they can get on the stick and pass legislation in record time. NOW they can get back to business and clear up the backlog of GOVERNMENT REDUCTION bills that benefit all the citizens .GET MOVING on the Governor's agenda of making government SMALLER GOVERNMENT and LESS of a TAX burden for all of us.
GET ON THE STICK AND DO SOME REAL WORK IN RECORD TIME. COME ON!!!

Feedor needs to get a life!?

BTW, the government just got bigger and more expensive to both implement HB 934 and to defend against the lawsuits challenging it.

Guess you'll need to come up with another slogan.

Can't help but notice the fundamental mean spiritedness and well as attempts to intimidate persons who dissent.

Rush Limbaugh must still be ringing in your ears.

@Feodor: Not all of us ignorants have anything invested in reactionary social agendas of people like Santorum. Some of their ideas are out of our (my) beliefs. In
any case, we believe (me) that the slogan for the next election is NMO, NO MORE OBAMA!! Ergo: (see I took Latin and not Catholic) ABO (anyone but Oama) is a much more acceptable alternative!!!
P.S. I don't have a vagina (last time I looked).
You only wish Keith Obermann had the following Rush did.

Hope and Change: http://finance.yahoo.com/photos/obama-congress-kill-oil-industrys-photo-132851694.html

Cheers! http://finance.yahoo.com/photos/obama-marks-st-patricks-day-photo-185513716.html

Regarding Rush... love it or hate it; Freedom of Speech is still around.... (and I've seen evidence that I could post showing that left hates it. Open minded is not synonymous with the left - unless they agree with you.) And capitalism is still around (love it or hate it; and I've seen evidence that I could post that the left hates it). Therefore, you can boycott blah blah blah... but most of us here probably are more of Dennis Prager conservatives. Rational, clear headed, not bigoted and calm.
Listen to Dennis Prager regarding the _American Trinity_: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn4IH3yng4k>;

Regarding Santorum: Please don't accept the image that the Democrat Media Complex is trying to foist on us. _Do your own_ homework. Don't let them (DMC) use the Alinsky Tactics of Pick a target, Ridicule it, Freeze it, and Get around it. Truth be told, I've always liked him here in PA, but not sure I will vote for him to take down Pres. Obama. However, Santorum has spent the last many years becoming an expert on Iran, becoming a champion for freedom here and abroad, for defending American Values against Progressive intrusions. I would surmise that most of us if we had a beer with Santorum would agree with (which passes the Reagan test) 75-85% of what he says regarding the optimum ; but understand there will be deviations. Listen to Senator Santorum discuss American Exceptionalism and how Family and Freedom and yes Faith. Remember when it comes to siding with historical figures; I'll take Adams and Washington over Obama and Biden.... Video starts at about 3:20 <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7SNNf_pyZQ>;

Hey, did anyone watch "Game Change"? Heck of a movie.

@Feodor. Have you looked at any of the media I have posted? I "understand" your point that things are fictional unless it's been proven. But IF IT WERE TRUE>>>>WOULD IT MATER? You have posted Testimony which is still only Anecdotal under the promise not to purger one self. I believe that these people who testify believe what they are saying are true. That does NOT make it true.

Another Dennis Prager -ism. I would prefer Clarity over Agreement. We don't have to agree, but at least our points can be received without ad hominem attacks which the left is want to do. If I am against "same Sex" marriage I'm a homophobe. etc etc etc. If I don't like Obama, I"m a racist (even though I love Cain, West, Rice, Steele, Sowell, etc etc etc). If I don't like Hillary, I'm a sexist. At this point, we're only going to be able to the epithets every other tuesday.

HEY JUST CALL YOUR LEGISLATOR IN THE MORNING, tell them to get on the stick and shrink and LOWER the cost of GOVERNMENT.
Remind the taxpayer is not the legislature's ATM. They pushed this through now do something productive.

Ignorance, a terrible thing not to point out.

Feedor thinks he knows all the answers but fails to understand the questions and issues.

@ Feodor. You seem fixated on pornography. Is that why you are on the computer at 2:30 in the am? From the words of B. Obama during the run in 08 <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZWaxjiQyFk>;; Us 'bitter clingers' will pray for you and for this country. Quote "...it's not surprising that people get bitter, and they cling to their guns or religion or antipathy towards those who are not like them"

Rush was asleep overnight so Rudy and Victoria awake from their slumbers unable to address issues and instead attack people.

Way to go Rush and Rushette!

Notice how the boys such as Rudy the issue driven and Vicotoria must resort to the Rush Limbaugh style attacks since their arguments are bankrupt and devoid of any meaning. So therefore we're going to here about sluts taking birth control pills rather than the merits of HB 934 and similar right-wing legislation designed to demean and intimidate others.

Well bring your lunch boys. You're going to need more than red meat and sheer ignorance to make your point.

You guys don't get it, Feodor is not a real person, just some PMSNBC syncophant (SAT word) on line to provoke you. He reads out of the daily communist talking points and just wants to provoke you. Just ignore him, he will change his name to Lenin and post some other B.S. When they turn the light on in his parent's basement, he will scatter like the roach he is.

There is professional help available to you Feodor. Avail yourself of the help!

"HB 934 and similar right-wing legislation designed to demean and intimidate others." Give us an example of who it intimidates. To whom does the bill intimidate?

@Tom: why do you even respond to the roach(Feodor). He is not real. Just ingnore him, he'll take his meds and go away.

Voter ID bills are being struck down in many states as being unconstitutional. Voter fraud is as abundant in our society as are flying pigs.

Ignorance is as ignorance does. Sit in a wheelchair for a week and tell us it doesn't make a difference. Maybe sidwalks should be made higher because real voters can high jump.

You should be grateful I expose your ignorance. It gives you humility you would not otherwise have.

@Chris, just to be clear, Voter ID bills are not being struck sown because they are unconstitutional, but because the DOJ is challenging some of them especially in southern states as the Voter's Right Act has language regarding discrimination in voting procedures. It is not a constitutional issue, it may be a voter's right issue, in SOME cases. Look out, the pigs are flying over Philadelphia!!! Flights delayed 45 minutes.

Voting is a constitutional right. It is not an act on par with buying cigarettes or alcohol, or even boarding an airplane.

Americans with Disabilities Act was passed in 1990 (George H. W. Bush) and amended as recently as 2008 (George W. Bush). It recognizes persons with disabilities as a protected class similarly how the Civil Rights Act of 1964 recognizes minorities and the poor as a protected class.

These federal laws protect people who do not have equal access to public amenities like for instance, the voting booth. For example, persons with disabilities may not be able to climb stairs or maneuver wheel chairs over curbs. That is why you see communities building cut curbs on corners.

Persons with disabilities, minorities, and poor persons are entitled to equal protection under the law by the constitution, the Bill of Rights specifically. That Tom B in 2012 has no awareness of (1) the constitution, (2) the Bill of Rights and (3) enabling legislation such as the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is not shocking. That would require an education some time in the past 50 years.

So suffice it to say, Tom B. and others you have your explanation, very clear, very plain. So to continue to be obtuse is your choice.

Joe K, the Voter ID laws have been struck down by state supreme courts in Indiana, Kentucky, and Texas so far. Others are in the courts. It's time we learn the facts and not the propaganda that is being put forth.

@Feodor: I was at first quite impressed with your research until I did some of my owm. I could not find a state court that overturned these laws. Ironically all are being challenged by the DOJ. I believe that is a Federal challenge. Many of these states have been going through contortions in order to make their laws comply with the "laws" and are challanging the Fed's interpretation of same. It's funny that when the ACLU et al challange laws, it's a intellegent arguent, but when conservatives use arguments in a similar manner, we are hateful, evil people. My Mother is 94 years old, and I make sure she's taken care of. I'll get her an ID. I'll go back to an anecdotal argument, how is it that many parts of Phila. and other large cities are able to reach voter turnout of 100%. Really, all those old, infirmed people, able to get out to vote?? PLEASEEEEE!!!!!!! One fraudlugent vote violates my rights!!!!

Sorry Joe, you won't find your answers in Highlights Magazine

Judge rules voter ID law is unconstitutional; permanently bars implementation
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/judge-rules-voter-id-law-is-unconstitutional-permanently-bars-implementation/article_ae3e0710-6c70-11e1-b493-0019bb2963f4.html
Voter ID Laws Struck Down in Texas, Wisconsin
http://news.yahoo.com/voter-id-laws-struck-down-texas-wisconsin-230744443--abc-news.html
Conservatives have said voter id laws are necessary to combat mass voter fraud. Yet according to the Brennan Center for Justice, Americans are more likely to be killed by a bolt of lightning than commit voter fraud. And the Bush administration’s five-year national “war on voter fraud” resulted in only 86 convictions of illegal voting out of more than 196 million votes cast. Instead conservatives are employing an old tactic: using the specter of false voting to restrict the voting rights of minorities and the poor.
– 1981 RNC VOTER CAGING SCANDAL: According to Project Vote, in 1981 the Republican National Committee mailed non-forwardable postcards to majority Hispanic and African-American districts in New Jersey in an effort to accuse those voters of false voting. The 45,000 returned cards were then used to create a list of voters whose residency the GOP could challenge at the polls. Similar initiatives were undertaken by the Arizona GOP in 1958, the RNC in 1962 and again, despite the decree, in Louisiana in 1986.

For Marc.....by a Supreme Court ruling, states cannot charge a poll tax in any form, it is unconstitutional. So states cannot charge for voter ID. So you will have to pay for it. In addition, you will pay for the legal fees generated by the lawsuits that will be raised.

The state budget office has estimated $11 million alone to implement the law. Most of this money will be born by counties, closer to home. This estimate does not include legal fees.

Voter suppression is neither free nor cheap.

Feodor: But here's the thing -- this is not a Voter ID we're talking about. This identification card is a state-issued card that is multi-use. I don't drive (yet) and I've had an ID card since the day I turned 18. I used it when I turned 21 to drink. I used it often when needing to prove my identity when using my credit cards. There is no VOTER ID in discussion. It's just a photo identification in general that will be required and this is the most readily available version.

And people always sue over everything on both sides of the aisle. That's not a great enough reason to dissuade the state from passing a law, nor should it be.

I don't think voter fraud is a problem. I also don't think that voter suppression is what's going on here. I think it's just a piece that politicians are using as a rallying point and, quite frankly, there are more important things the state (and country) should be worried about fixing rather than this non-issue. With that said, I still see no problem with requiring a photo ID when going to vote.

<Protectyourvote.com> Listen to Ken Blackwell - who was the Secretary of State of Ohio AND also happens to be an African American discuss this topic: <http://tinyurl.com/83q3p8y>;. *But surely he's a racist, misogynistic bigot. Paraphrasing him... If you run a bank would you wait until _after_ you've been robbed to think about securing/protecting the money? Any bank that has not yet been robbed, uses reasonable safeguards to protect their interests (I guess that is what both sides of the argument are trying to do.. safeguard their interests, nudge nudge). Same thing with voter fraud. <Protectyourvote.com>

Some of Rudy's best friend's are black people. Rudy, why don't you post some photos of you and your African American friends.

Rudy, aka....Issue Driven is a misogynist and a bigot. Don't be fooled by his, "African American" references. In his private life black people are anything but "African Americans"

Hey Rudy, use the word or words you would characterize "African Americans" when talking with you brother or your next door neighbor.

Tolerant? Openminded? Thoughtful? These are not traits of the left. Look up Overton Window. JFK (Ask not what your country can do for you...) having stood in the same place ideologically would now be a Republican because the "Window" has shifted that far to the left. Factory Setting Democrats beware. Listen to Frances Fox Piven ( if you don't know who she is, I would urge you to look into her) According to Frances Fox Piven: The Occupy Movement is made up of “All parts of the Left.” That includes proudly: “Democrats, Socialists, Communists, Anarchists.”
Must all work together because of the “Huge task of transforming America and the world.” “We are all together” http://www.theblaze.com/stories/democrats-socialists-and-communists-we-are-all-together-piven-draws-chilling-connections/
They are NOT finished "Transforming" America. They need the next vote to go their way to finish the main pieces.

Tolerant? Open Minded? "Slut, t**t, whore, streetwalker, mail-order bride, MILF, hate-f**ks... these are the various ways _conservative women_ are described by liberals in the media". But if you agree with them... it's not hateful. It's only hateful if a conservative were to do it e.g. Sandra Fluke. http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/22/Will-These-Liberals-Be-Chased-Off-Air

Agreed. That is why I noted it in my post.

Another example of the "tolerance" and "open minded" left: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/26/school-contractor-fired-for-pro-walker-bumper-sticker

For Rudy and for others, Andrew Breitbart provides clarity. Breitbart by the way is dead and has been dead for over a month. Many believe he's morally and intellectually dead for much longer.

But Rudy amuses himself.

@Feodor: Off your meds again. It's been a week since anyone posted to this article, but you're still fixated on it. Once again, you attack your opponent, not his posiions. Crawl back in your hole and hope the world ends on December 21.

Put down your stamp collections Tom & Issue. Friend me already, I know you aren't getting laid. Hurry-up you dorks!!!!
KATY IS THE MOUTHPIECE!!!!!

Lets pull apart Hatboro Mike & Victor, I know those kids are in love w/ each other!
Even so we'll take them in our cause.(we'll make 'em sit in the back of the bus)
Lets join together Pottstown!!! Our motto is "Togetherness!!!!!!"

Katy Jackson(Ms. Jackson if your nasty)

Let pull together & get "The 1-legged bandit" T. & M Hetrick out of our fair town. Todd has only 1 leg because of bad behavior & his wife has a better beard than Issue Driven! They all stink and are bad for Pottstown business!!!!

ps Deb C saved my life & I love & thank her.

Golden Cockroach Ms. Nasty!!!!

Feo' your medical degree in The Ukraine makes you a good choice for janitor at Pottsgrove High School. Either that or you're a pill popper!
Most likely both apply to you!!!!!

Ms Nasty---Katy The mouthpiece of Pottstown!!!! Tell your friends, or if you have none like Tom and the commie pillhead just friend me on facebook!!!! Golden Cockroach. "I am Pottstown"

Apparently, many liberals were disappointed in the administration’s performance before the Supreme Court. They felt that the government’s lawyer, Solicitor General Donald Verrilli, did not respond effectively to the challenges of some of the conservative justices.
The editor of Commentary, John Podhoretz, offered an explanation on his magazine’s blog. “American liberals,” he wrote, “know their own language, but they don’t know the language of their ideological and partisan opposite numbers. ... Conservatives speak liberal, but for liberals in the United States, conservatism might as well be Esperanto.”......

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/295112/they-don-t-know-us-dennis-prager

VOTER FRAUD INVESTIGATION LANDS ON ERIC HOLDER'S
DOORSTEP.... WAKE UP CALL <http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/08/DC-Polling-Place-Holder-Ballot>;

With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.

What a shocker that the two new Democrat Commissioners are against proving your identity to vote. We need to prove our identity to drive, to fly on an airplane, to buy a house, to get a loan - but voting - no we can't require proving identity for that or anything... psh

More and in some ways much worse here on this topic: Ideologs won't care about the evidence. Fair minded and intellectually honest people of all party's will admit there is a problem here and it is one that could subvert our country.

Remember as the book Title states, "If it ain't close, they can't cheat"... <http://tinyurl.com/ceg2vo3>;

http://www.youtube.com/user/aimaccuracy?feature=watch

http://www.aim.org/special-report/the-lefts-national-vote-fraud-strategy-exposed/

I a SHOCKED that a conservative blog disguised as a news site has written articles and posted YouTube videos about a Left-Wing Voter Fraud Conspiracy! SHOCKED, I tell you!

More vulnerability video from North Carolina:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/05/16/OKeefe-Video-Makes-Splash-In-NC